Sunday, 15 July 2007

Zeitgeist - The Movie

I wanted to label this post as fun, but I just canNOT. If what is described in the movie is true, this is a REALLY serious situation. From the website:

That being said, it is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.


The movie is about 2 hours long. But you can watch them in parts.

Part 1: Why was Jesus born on 25th December by a virgin Mary and crucified, resurrected after 3 days?

Part 2: Why did the World Trade Centers collapse in a free fall when only the top floors were burning?

Part 3: Why did USA go into war on terror?

33 comments:

Trey said...

Well although this movie has some SCAWY music and some very flashy sounds it is laden with falsities. Uncountable falsities about religion and the origins of man. At NO TIME IN MANS HISTORY was the SOUTHERN CROSS viewable by people above 30 degrees latitude south. Therefore Egyptians and others above the equator or parallel to it would have no knowledge of the southern cross. Horus was a GOD not man and was not crucified at all. In real history Ra is the sun god and later becomes confused with Horus mostly attestable to the greeks. Horus is the god of TWO eyes the MOON and SUN. Hours comes from the Greek HORAE who were goddess of order and later came to mean the progression of time. Horus is not depicted on the Eqyptian hieroglyph in this movie it is the king Akhenaten so that goes out the window. There is a mention of Krishna Attis Dionysus Mithra and others having the same birth dates as Jesus and similar life stories......FALSE. Attis not crucified and was a god not a man, Krishna in the GITA shows his GOD image to Arjuna and this is attestable to the arch angel Michael who is a perfect extension of god. Michael is seen as having many faces and represented as a warrior amongst the arch angels. Exactly what is revealed to arjuna before his epic battle in that portion of the Mahabarata. Krishna was not crucified and was born on the date july 19th he was wounded by an arrow and died. Mohammed is actually listed on a piece of paper that slips by with the name Xaca as also crucified to compound the "reality and gravity" of what is in truth garbage. Mohammed was not born on DEC 25 as were any of the others listed. Mohammed was born on JUNE 8th and died after falling ill as did Xaca which is another was of saying Buddha. The Buddhas mother was MAYA which literally translates to ILLUSION... be wary of false gods and false prophets. The "reclining" Buddha so often heard of comes from his postion at the time of his death after becoming ill. At the time of his death the buddha said dont say that we have no master now....all created things must end. God is Creational not of Creation. Mithra was not Crucified and was not BORN on Dec 25th more rubbish he was a god and is of origin which is obscured by subsequent invasion and redifining of his role as a deity. The SUN as center of the astrological calendar.....am I mistaken or do we view the zodiac from the EARTH.....the sun is not the center of the viewable zodiac the earth is and is depicted as such in many drawings. The mitre started off as a simple low rounded cap and become what it is in modern times and is not some SIGN of the age of pices...that is laughable. SARGON although having similar stories of origin to MOSES is chronicled in the writings of the 7th century Assyrians and therefore much after the time of Moses. Our knowledge of history is limited and so it would seem correct if not put in perspective. Minos is a king and a mythical tyrant nor is ther any correlation to Moses. Now comes an interesting note NEMO is some how related to MOSES in this dung heap of a film NEMO in latin means.... NO MAN or NO ONE.... WHOM is at work here in this film I ask you.

Trey said...

Evil lies in men and men do evil in the name of good. The inquistion was evil and done by the church and by individual men who have FREE will granted by god because he is loving and gives us many gifts. The past evils of individuals under the name of the church are just that past evils done by MEN who chose to do evil not by Jesus or GOD. Jesus was a rebel and not a slave.....he bucked the system and did not follow it. We are meant to be stewards of the earth and not abuse it, we are meant to live with love... for those that know god know love and those that know love will know god. Not kill one another out of greed.
The Mark of the Beast described in Revelations chapter 13 is one of the most interesting portions of Bible Prophecy. First here's the actual verses:
And [the Antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save [except] he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Rev 13:16-18
There is truth and lie in this video......beware.....to the detriment of us all if we forget that we are spiritual beings on this physical journey. That we are meant to follow a covenant with god to prevent what is described in Revelations as the NEW WORLD ORDER! George Bush I would never defend. Lies secrecy and scandal abound today. As we travel further from God the world spins ever out of control. Religion is not to enslave but to set you free.....question your government.....why are we killing innocents for profit? Question why the NEW WORLD ORDER is running your life.....Jesus would have. Don't use falsities and half truths to mar Christianity. If we followed what god hopes for us in the message of Christ Jesus would we be in the trouble we are today......the answer is obvious.....no. The Devil hopes we turn from god but worship the god of finance. Moses warning has returned......we worship the calf again and it stands in the shape of a cast bull on wall street. READ THAT AGAIN. The golden cow has replaced our GOD.

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

Thank you Trey for leaving two comments.

As set out at the beginning of the post, I have no evidence, either way, to show the film is all truth, all falsehood or mixed with truth and falsehood. One thing I am sure, though, is IF what is described in the film is true, then we are in big PROBLEM.

stfrequency said...

Greetings,

I have written a review and thought-piece on this movie that I think everyone here will find interesting. You can view it at http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/471.

-ST

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

I need to declare my position before I go any further. First, I was born Chinese in Hong Kong and moved to Australia 13+ years ago. My mother and sisters are in USA. I am NOT a USA citizen. I am Australian.

Since watching Zeitgeist the Movie, I was motivated to search for more information and discovered 911 Ripple effect and the like. None of these "truth" films are huge productions. They mostly copy from mainstream news (note, I believe copyright should not cover news AND the use of segments in many of these documentary should fall within the boundary of "fair use"). Basically, all these non-mainstream documentary questions two things:

1. the collapse of WTC 1, 2 & 7. Collapse of WTC 7 was highlighted most because these documentary all showed TV news segments which indicated that there was only minor fires. More interestingly, all these buildings felt neatly within their respective footprints.

2. The initial hole after the impact of a Boeing 757 was too small.

911 Ripple Effect pointed out a couple odds as well.

a. the image of the plane hitting WTC towers seems to have a pod at its belly.

b. BBC boardcasted the collapse of WTC 7 BEFORE the building actually collapsed.

c. Many witnesses at the scene reported hearing secondary explosions including CNN live boardcasted news.

USA being the world's most powerful country. Its foreign affairs affect everyone. Australia went to war together with USA. We have the right to know the truth. The REAL reason that this country went into war!

I am NOT saying that the information presented by "truth" websites MUST be completely correct. But they really cause us to think and go more carefully. Shouldn't we?

Mike said...

> , is IF what is described in the film is true, then we are in big PROBLEM.

Hi Albert. I'm sure you've realized by now that this movie is just ridiculous propaganda designed scare people. Unfortunately my friend 9/11 was all too real.

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

No one is saying 911 is not real. People died and disappeared. Buildings collapsed.

As a student of science, I have learnt to look at things in deeper details and seeked to explain "differences" that cannot be explained by current theory. Relativity theory triggered when the speed is high. At normal human observable speed, Newton's laws are fine. Quantum mechanics is triggered when we are dealing with atomic distances. Both relativity and quantum theories are applicable to explain small differences, yet the implication are huge.

There is an official line of stories about what has happened on 911. However, there are things being ignored and there are things which cannot be explained by the official story.

At this point in time, I am doing "desk-top" research. I am unwilling to ignore "propaganda".

I agree that Zeitgeist - The Movie is doing "Olympian stretching in its ambitious game of connect-the-dots". The connection is weak and unsupported. However, there are too many unexplained facts and contradiction that the official story is also stretching people's willingness to believe.

If this film is a "propaganda designed scare people", what is the motive of the producer? However, as suggested by the film, it is inviting us to do more research to find out the truth. IF what is described in the film is true, then we are in big PROBLEM.

Win said...

"If this film is a "propaganda designed to scare people", what is the motive of the producer?"

Good point, Albert. I believe it is quite telling that Mike and his kind equate questioning with fear.

Jerry said...

Yeah - Fredrick Peter Johnson - the creator of Zeitgeist, is a freak. I saw a film by him in Chicago a number of years ago and it was the same kind of insane stuff. Interesting nonetheless.

Disillusioned said...

Trey said:
"At NO TIME IN MANS HISTORY was the SOUTHERN CROSS viewable by people above 30 degrees latitude south. Therefore Egyptians and others above the equator or parallel to it would have no knowledge of the southern cross. "

This is flat-out wrong. If you are on the equator looking south, depending on the time of year you can see every single star in the southern celestial hemisphere, which includes the southern cross which is many degrees away from due south.

By turning around and facing north (but still on the equator), you can see the entire NORTHERN sky throughout the year. Obviously the day-night cycles mean you might have to wait 6-months to see any given constellation, but you CAN see the southern cross from not only the equator, but 30 degrees NORTH lattitude.

Such blatant innacuracy on your part made me not read the entire rest of your 'debunking', since such a fact is easily checked if you understand even one iota of basic astronomy.

Habiba said...

I don't know much about Parts II and III, but Part I seems a little implausible and irrelevant. I can see why the producer would try to denounce religion, but i can't understand why we as people consider religion to be something that SEPARATES us instead of UNITES us. We don't need to be of the same religion to be united: all true religions insist on virtue and moral conduct. If we follow our religions in that way the world would find peace. Fighting each other because of religious differences is, in fact, not part of religion at all, but a misunderstanding on OUR behalf that has ruined the reputation of religion. Religion, in my opinion, should be personal and nobody has the right to interfere in any person's religion, as it is a reltionship between him and God. Whether we all believe in the same god or not, or follow the same religion or not, that should have nothing to do with our unity and the fact that, at the end of the day, we're ALL human beings, living together on the same earth. Whether one religion is corrupt in some people's opinion is an issue concerned with that certain religion. basically, if you think that religion is corrupt leave it end of point. Religion should NOT be confused with international affairs, which is, unfortunately, what happens today, and at the end of the day when we can't find anything else to blame we blame religion.

Habiba said...

IN ADDITION. I'd like to say that without even going through much of a hassle and at the first site i found, it says clearly "perhaps since HIS FATHER WAS DEAD", about horus.
http://ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/ancientegyptiangodshorus.html
If you focus closely while watching the movie you will also notice some bits and pieces they purposely "leave out" and don't give much varification to, which are critical to the rest of the documentary.

However, the movie does deliver a valuable message that shouldn't be ignored, even if the facts presented are not true: think for yourself, form your OWN truth that YOU find convincing, and be smart enough to realize when you are being distracted from the truth.

And you can start by viewing the movie more critically..

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

Thank you Habiba for your thoughtful comment. If religion is just a matter between one and one's personal god, whoever that god may be, many historical wars and unnecessary killings would have been avoided. One thing I find in Western religion (hence exclude Buddhism) is the promotion of a god and claims that only the god that religion worship is the true god AND it is the responsibility of believers to spread the religion. This has introduced a "competition" instead of "mutual accommodation". Another fundamental criticism towards religion which the film has not touched upon is the "blind faith" towards a scripture disregarding the many evidences we discover. Our progress, material comfort at least, has been the result of scientific works. The denounce of good science like Darwin Evolution is very much like the rejection of Earth is round in the old days.

The film asks watcher to find the evidence and triangulate in order to come to a conclusion for yourself. That's what we want to focus on.

YJ1980 said...

I am disappointed on how people misuse such a powerful tool as the Internet and the media in general. This movie is a prime example. It is riddled with lies and half truths, with a sole purpose of evoking a strong emotional response out of the viewer. It is akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, making prank phone calls or sending "urban legend" emails. The fact the the makers of the movie did not even want to be identified underscores this fact. It tries to come across as a documentary, but has no serious research done. If it were possible to do so, this movie should be expunged from the Internet. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME VIEWING IT!

joshwamsw said...

Ok, I understand that I shouldn't take this film as gospel and I need to find the answers for myself, but where? Wikipedia is apparently a joke. The internet is full of false information, and after watching this video I don't know if I can trust history books anymore. If we are in fact being lied to, then what resources exist that I can actually trust? I'm feeling very cynical about this. Can anyone ever really know the truth?

Travel said...

You trust history books and Widipedia the same way you trust Zeitgeist, you use your "critical" thinking skills.

I enjoyed the movie and I also enjoy intelligent posts that pick it apart to correct innacuracies with factual and measurable data.

In my opinion, we are are responsible by evolutionary default, to take care of our planet and each other.

Life is truly an adventure.

swizlstx said...

Trey, you are obviously not doing what the movie is asking you to do...Be Objective! It's about control homeboy. You are not in control and this movie lays it out there for you to think critically about the powers that are trying to control you. The premise of one not being in control of their situation is staggering.

To put so much time into debunking each item one by one shows you are not intelligent enough to grasp the message. It must be that damn sub-par educational system being used to dumb down the population.

See Trey, you are part of the problem. Sorry mate for being the bearer of bad news.

swizlstx said...

It took me about two seconds to find additional information to support the rip on the Federal Reserve system. I followed the movie up with a check of their resources. Beyond the resources cited there is an overwhelmingly HUGE amount of information supporting part III: men behind the curtain.

Ron Paul 2008

swizlstx said...

Trey, you are obviously not doing what the movie is asking you to do...Be Objective! It's about control homeboy. You are not in control and this movie lays it out there for you to think critically about the powers that are trying to control you. The premise of one not being in control of their situation is staggering.

To put so much time into debunking each item one by one shows you are not intelligent enough to grasp the message. It must be that damn sub-par educational system being used to dumb down the population.

See Trey, you are part of the problem. Sorry mate for being the bearer of bad news.

scrutinizer said...

Nearly everything in this film is 100% true and verifiable. It's time that everyone knew this. Always question authority, always question textbook "facts". And please expound, Trey, on the origins of man. You must have been a witness.

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

A companion Guide to this movie has been published.

from http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200712/1198103623.html

"The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST" was written by D.M. Murdock, also known as "Acharya S," author of the controversial books "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold," "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled" and "Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ."

and from a comment on http://thepaganvillagetribe.tribe.net/photos/424d36d1-68a4-4e85-b3ff-8f83aa34d53c

"This 48-page ebook contains a scientific investigation of some of the facts from Part 1 of the ZEITGEIST movie, dealing with the comparisons of ancient religions and Christianity.

In this instantly downloadable and printable PDF file are answers to the following questions:

* Who are the Egyptian gods Horus and Set?

* Why does the battle between Horus and Set sound like that of Jesus and Satan?

*Was the baby Horus really born on December 25th, just like Jesus is traditionally supposed to have been? This ebook contains 11 pages of research on this important subject.

* Was Horus's mother truly a virgin called Isis-Mery? A 10-page discussion of the virginal status of Horus's mother, including citations of ancient texts in their original languages, with translations."

realitychk said...

It's pretty funny how easily people dismiss new theories and ideas just because it may seem unfamiliar or UNCOMFORTABLE. I don't think Zeitgeist is a propaganda at all. It's an eye opener...do your own research and you will become more aware that its' far nearer to the truth than what you think. People have only rejected the movie because it sounds so foreign to them, these are sadly brainwashed Americans. lol

All I can really comment is as follows:

Part I...as far as religion, it seems more ridiculous to reject science and accept "magic" in that there is an invisible man in the sky who watches you all the time.

Part II...Why wouldn't more information be released about the specific events that occured on Sep. 11th and doesn't it seem really errie how all videos were confiscated and no evidence found at the Pentagon or Shanksville?

Part III...Take an economics course and do some extensive research...its mind blowing how the system really works but all you people remain oblivious.

In conclusion...Go to school, stop watching BS reality TV shows and even more dangerously, the brainwashing media networks/news...etc.


Even more importantly, it's more logical to accept whats logical than to believe what traditions have been past down to us. Open your eyes and WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

This is one post which attracted a lot of thoughtful comments. Thank you.

I am becoming more and more an anti-theist. ;-) I understand everyone has the right and freedom to their own religion. I am also becoming more and more concern about the neo-religious movement pushing people to 'believe" their faith. More importantly, I don't want to see a great country like USA falls due to such illogical movement. Science, hard and difficult science has been the driving force for the well-being of humanity in the past and in present. Relativity, quantum mechanics, sub-atomic particles, the wrapping of space-time, evolution are all very difficult concepts. I first study the causal effect of Quantum mechanics in the 70's and it is only now that I have become comfortable of accepting the probabilistic nature of sub-atomic particles! Difficult concepts, under many situation are counter-intuitive, are outside most people's comfort zone. That does not mean that they are incorrect!

One interesting characteristic of science is the constant questioning of existing theory. When a theory is proposed, scientists all over the world try their very best to DISPROVE the theory. It takes only ONE example (verifiable experiment) to disprove a theory. However, all the other discovery, experiments, verification, in theory, do NOT prove the theory. It only helps strengthen the theory.

When I was a kid, talking to oversea relatives is unheard of. My grandfather once punished one of my uncle because my uncle told him that ships were built with steel instead of wood. My grandfather just could not comprehend how steel (which is heavier (denser, rather) than water could be used to build a ship which needed to keep floating!)

We advance by thinking, by examining evidence, by experiencing outside our comfort zone. Something unfamiliar does not imply inaccuracy. We need to find additional evidence. Once counter evidence would disprove a theory. Many supporting evidence strengthen the theory. So far, the official stories (re: 911) have been many loop-holes (ie counter evidence). For the scientist, only ONE is needed to disprove it. In the world of politics, it may take more. How much more do we need?

Aimee said...

You have to open your mind to the possibility that all of the texts and all of the histories you read are based on the biases of those who write about history. There is only one truth and that is the scientific truth. Science is the only thing that checks and re-checks itself to determine accuracy. We use science to determine when to launch a probe and using science we can determine when and where that probe will go. We cannot send that probe on prayers alone. We cannot determine its trajectory based on the history of previous missions alone. We must use calculations created by math and science. Science is imperfect but once science determines the truth of something it cannot be denied. We know the sun is converting hydrogen to helium and we know that Jupiter is a gaseous planet, because we used several methods to determine these truths, just as you should use several methods to figure out history. There was a time when we believed we were the center of the universe and now we know, through science that we are not. So the truth comes from the ability to follow the scientific method, not what a historian tells you from his or her point of view. You must use your own mind, read between the lines, do your own research. Read several texts, do not take one source as your only source for the truth. The best thing you can do for yourself and humanity is to question what you are told and if the answer doesn't work, then keep looking!

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

Thank you aimee for pointing out the importance of scientific methods. However, the use of the word "truth" may 'kick' some people at the wrong spot.

People used to believe the "truth' that the Earth is one of the nine planets of the Sun. However, astronomers define planet as "a celestial body orbiting a star or stellar remnant that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, not massive enough to cause thermonuclear fusion, and has cleared its neighbouring region of planetesimals." [Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet] The astronomers also define "dwarf planet" as s a celestial body orbiting the Sun that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity but which has not cleared its neighbouring region of planetesimals and is not a satellite.[Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet]

The statement "Earth is one of the nine planets of the Sun" is a conclusion, or theory in the Science parlance.

Now that astronomers have approved the above definitions, Pluto, which is a dwarf planet, has to been taken off the list of the "nine planets". We should now say that the "truth" statement should be "Earth is one of the eight planets of the Sun".

This has created some headline news in 2006 when the above definitions were approved.

Does this make scientific methodology less valuable and importance?

On that awful September day, the twin towers (and another building 7) collapsed. That is a FACT. I saw this happened on Televison. I have been to New York and saw that they are gone. (Two independent evidence to support my claim that the WTC Twin Towers were gone.) During the collapse of these buildings, a lot of people claimed to heard 'secondary' explosions (even reported on the news). Throwing away such evidence is NOT scientific. A sound theory (to support why the buildings had collapsed) should take into account and be able to explain such 'secondary' explosive sounds.

If this contradicting evidence to the official theory sounds uncomfortable to you, please be reassured that it is very uncomfortable to me as well. However, we cannot just throw out any evidence which a theory cannot explain. Rather, we should throw out the theory and look for another theory which explains ALL observed evidences.

Licht2202 said...

There seems to be a lot of confused people out there. 1st off, opening your mind is completely different than accepting everything you hear. I've watched the zeitgeist movie through and through and have been very open to everything presented, however when you look at real facts of history and everything that surrounds us, you find that pretty much everything in the first part of the zeitgeist movie is completely false. And by the way, M.D. Murdock is about the biggest crack-pot looser piece of crap on the face of this planet. I don't think I've ever seen anyone as illiterate as her. If you want to believe in something you need to make sure its true and the only way you can do this is by researching it, not watching a fictitious documentary that someone dreamed up.

Open my mind? I did open my mind, and then I researched everything to see if it was true and came to find out that it was all a load of crap-nonsense! Anyone that actually checks the validity of any claim in the first part of zeitgeist would come to the same conclusion. Not only this but also the stupid companion guide to the movie by M.D. Murdock, who doesn't know a pyramid from a sphinx.

Licht2202 said...

I've created a blog with facts pointing out obvious errors in the 1st part of the zeitgeist movie. I'm not dismissing anything in the 2nd two parts, but I fail to see how anyone can create a film based on lies in the first part and then try and sell something off as factual for the 2nd two parts. Pretty stupid!

zeitgeistmoviepart1.blogspot.com/

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

Dear Licht2202, thank you for your comment.

Watching the 'movie through and through' is not the same as researching about the truth. Just like quoting the Bible to justify the claims within the Bible is NOT justifying anything. This is only "circle logic".

To find the truth, and with an open mind, is to find *other* independent evidence to attempt to falsify the original claim.

As science is concerned, there is NO truth. What today's science have is a set of theories which has NOT been proven false. What is difference between just a claim and a scientific theory is that scientific theory has gone through many tests (attempts to prove it wrong) and has survived. A claim is just a claim and there has not been any attempt to test its validity.

Repeating a claim a thousand times does not make the claim becomes a truth. It has just been repeating a thousand times. Nothing has been added to any understanding.

So watching the movie over and over again does not imply "open mind". A real open mind is to follow the links provided by the movie to seek further evidence.

Good luck to your journey of exploring the truth.

Licht2202 said...

I have researched everything, and have posted what I have found thus far on my blog which I posted the link for above. Since it doesn't look like anyone will be visiting it anytime soon, I'll post some points below that I have found so far.

* Jesus was not born on December 25th! This date was assigned by the Roman Catholic Church and is widely known to NOT be the actual date that he was born. The date Jesus was born is unknown and the only relevance December 25th holds is in Pagan traditions. So, Christmas on December 25th is nothing more than a celebration in reflection of a tradition and has no bearing on the actual date of Christ’s birth. Note also that this date has no relevance whatsoever with most of the figures presented in zeitgeist, exposing zeitgeist main point to be blatantly fraudulent as they try and emphasize December 25th as a significant date during the 1st part of their film.

* December 25th is not the winter solstice! The winter solstice falls on either the 21st or the 22nd of December! This 21st and 22nd day of the month also correlates to the summer solstice in June. The only reason why the winter solstice is fixed to the 21st or 22nd of December is because of the adaptation of the Gregorian calendar, which we use today as our calendar. One of the modifications of this calendar was to keep the equinoxes and solstices from drifting to different dates. Before this calendar was set in place however, the solstices and equinoxes would drift to different dates over time on the previously used Julian calendar. Also note, that this Julian calendar was only particularly used in the European area of the world while other civilizations had their own calendar, some of which are still used today.

* The sun never once stops moving anywhere in the sky for 3 days; and to do this would mean that the earth would somehow need to stop in its orbit around the sun once a year. Obviously this is impossible and would be cataclysmic! The sun's lowering and raising in the sky is in relation to how high it gets during the day, not how the sun appears when its setting at night. The sun's movement in our sky is due to the earth's tilt and position in its orbit around the sun. On the Winter solstice, the sun is the lowest in the sky at its mid-point during the day for the northern hemisphere and the opposite is true for the southern hemisphere where the sun is the highest at its mid-point during the day. Therefore the sun does not stop moving in any direction at any point in any year. Rather, the earth's location in its orbit constantly changes how high or low the sun will be during the day every day at its midpoint as the Earth revolves at a constant rate around the sun. Because the earth's orbit never stops, neither does the sun's movement in our sky!

* The Southern Cross is a constellation that can only be seen from the southern hemisphere of our earth and up to 25 degrees latitude in the northern hemisphere. This makes the constellation impossible to view from anywhere in the Middle East or Europe today. The line that divides the hemispheres is the equator, and each hemisphere has its own set of constellations that cannot be seen by the other hemisphere. However, the viewability of the constellations is not constant and changes over time due to the precession of the Earth. This is a very slow process though, and only changes the constellations degree in the sky by 1 degree every 71.5 years. This means that over the course of 2,002 years, the constellations could have only moved 28 degrees. This is enough movement to suggest that the Southern Cross, better known by the name Crux, could have been viewable at higher latitudes in the past. In fact, it is recorded that the constellation was indeed viewable in certain areas of the Middle East and Greece. However, you should note that the Greeks never identified this constellation as a cross, but rather as part of a bigger constellation that they called Centaurus. The Romans also renamed the Centaurus constellation and called it Thronis Caesaris in tribute to the Roman Emperor Augustus. The actual identification of the Crux as an individual constellation is not recorded until 1507, when mentioned by shape by the explorer Amerigo Vespucci. The actual name crux and specific identification of this cross as an individual constellation didn’t occur until 1679, when the French Astronomer Augustin Royer identified it as such. So why would zeitgeist use a constellation that was never even identified to be a constellation until it was completely invisible to most of the Northern Hemisphere? This makes no sense at all, but then again neither does saying that the sun stops moving in our sky for three days, which is the exact point in the zeitgeist film where the Southern Cross aka Crux is mentioned.

* The words sun and son are completely different and have nothing in common other than the fact that they sound the same in English. Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to Jesus as the Sun of God, and in fact the Bible condones the worship of the sun. The penalty under the old covenant, in the old testament for sun worship was death. Anyone caught doing this was to be stoned to death. This penalty of death was also reserved for anyone who worshiped the moon or stars, so it makes no sense to say that Jesus was the sun, or that astrology and the zodiac are the theme of the Bible. God commands to worship Him and nothing else and to do otherwise is an act worthy of death. From knowing this, it's completely idiotic to conclude that Jesus is the sun or that Christians are sun worshipers.

* There are 13 constellations of the zodiac, not 12! The constellations of the zodiac are as follows: 1. Pisces, 2. Aquarius, 3. Capricornus, 4. Sagittarius, 5. Ophiuchus, 6. Scorpius, 7. Libra, 8. Virgo, 9. Leo, 10. Cancer, 11. Gemini, 12. Taurus, 13. Aries. The main reason stated for only having 12 signs on the zodiac today is because of the adaptation to the Gregorian calendar with 12 months. This is the calendar that we use today in almost every location of the world, with exception of a few cultures that have still managed to hang on to their traditional calendars. This calendar was implemented in 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of the Julian calendar. Also note that the spring equinox at this time occurred on March 11, and one of the main reasons for imposing this calendar was to bring the date of the spring equinox to fall on March 21st, which was the day the equinox fell on in the Julian calendar in A.D. 325, at the time of the Council of Nicaea. This was a significant point in catholic history, and thus also influenced the pope’s decision to align the Gregorian calendar to match the seasonal calendar of A.D. 325. The Gregorian calendar also fixed the problem of having the equinoxes drift to different dates on the calendar with the adaptation of leap years to the calendar.

* Easter was brought about through pagan tradition and the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. Easter is another pronunciation for the name Ishtar, after the mother of Tammuz, which was a god of the Babylonians and associated with the moon. This pagan tradition is in relation to the full moon that occurs around the vernal equinox aka spring equinox. Also note that the story of Ishtar bears similarities to the story of the Egyptian Isis and Horus in some accounts. This pagan tradition was part of the Roman culture through a strong pagan influence. When the Roman Catholic Church came to power, they embraced this holiday of their country and adopted it into their religion of catholicism. However close or far away this holiday falls in relation to whenever Jesus died, it has nothing to do with his death and resurrection and is nothing more than another pagan influenced holiday. The death and resurrection of Jesus are said to have taken place during the Jewish holiday of Pesach translated as Passover and also known as The Feast of Unleavened Bread. This holiday falls on the first month of the Jewish calendar known as Nisan, and is celebrated starting on the 15th day of Nisan. This celebration changes from year to year on the Gregorian calendar because it has nothing to do with this calendar. The celebration of passover is in recognition of the Jews escaping captivity and slavery from Egypt. The word Passover is in reference to when the spirit of the Lord passed over the land of Egypt and killed every firstborn except in the homes that had the blood of the lamb on their door posts. After this 10th plague occurred, the pharaoh freed the Jewish people from their captivity. Passover is said to have occurred in the spring time, which occurs in the first month of the Jewish calendar. This is the reason for the passover celebration in the Jewish calendar month of Nisan and has nothing to do with the vernal equinox. And as already stated, Easter has nothing to do with Passover and is nothing more than a pagan adapted holiday by the Roman Catholic Church.

* Not one of the gods presented in the zeitgeist movie was ever born of a virgin, had a star in the east leading to their place of birth, was crucified or dead for three days and then resurrected. These allegations are completely made up in an obvious attempt to do nothing more than try and discredit Jesus who actually has these things associated with him. And as pointed out earlier, Jesus was not born on December 25th, which is also the date of birth zeitgeist appoints for every god, most of which have no association whatsoever with the December 25th date. And again the only relevance this date holds is in relation to pagan traditions.

* Neither the constellation nor the age of Aries has anything to do with Jews blowing the rams horn! Blowing the rams horn is a custom done by the Jews most often in recognition of their new year, known as Rosh Hashanah. There are other traditions and times that the Jewish culture blows this horn, but Rosh Hashanah is the most prominently noted time. Jews are recorded doing this well before the age of Aires and even up to today. So if this was in any way related to the age of Aires, Jews would have stopped this after the age had ended, and would not have done this before the age began.

* Neither the constellation nor the age of Taurus the bull has has any relevance to Moses smashing the 10 commandments. And the golden idol the people were worshiping when Moses came with the 10 commandments was a calf which is a baby cow, not a bull as was stated in the zeitgeist movie. It's kind of hard to mistake a baby cow for a bull unless you are two years old and can't tell the difference yet. It's quite a bigger stretch and completely asinine to say that this is the starting point for the age of Taurus! Since when I did Taurus become a baby cow? And how is creating an idol of a baby cow of any relevance to the age of Taurus. The obvious answers to these questions are that Taurus is still the same bull that has nothing to do with baby cow idols and zeitgeist has yet again fabricated another ridiculous lie.

* The Bible never once mentions anything about 3 kings visiting Jesus. The Bible only references wise men in the gospel of Matthew, and shepherds in the gospel of Luke. So the only reference to Jesus’ birth is found in the gospels of Matthew and Luke, each gospel broadening the story of Jesus’ birth by telling of different adorners who located Jesus’ location by different means. Zeitgeist tries to twist the gospel of Mathew around and state that three kings visited Jesus, and Ms. Murdock states that because there were three gifts that there were also three kings. 1st off, you can never assume that there are any number of people just by how many gifts are presented, and by the way she didn’t even get this right. The Bible actually states that the wise men brought three types of gifts which are: gold, frankincense, and myrrh, and the Bible never quantified how much of each type of gift was brought. These gifts were brought with the wise men to adorn the new born King as an order from King Herod to find Jesus and tell of His location so that King Herod could also come and worship before Jesus.

* The Book of the Dead is a book concerning the afterlife of the Egyptian dead, and was used to help guide the dead along their journey in their afterlife. I fail to see how 3 incantations from this book describing the acts of killing, lying and stealing relate directly to the 10 commandments. First off, the purpose of the 10 commandments and the Book of the Dead are completely different. And obviously, the actions of stealing, lying and killing are universal in being looked down upon. It’s obvious that zeitgeist knows nothing about Egyptology and is completely illiterate. Zeitgost also forgot to mention the other 7 commandments which are: “1. You shall have no other gods before me or make for yourself an idol, 2. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God, 3. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy, 4. Honor your father and your mother, 5.You shall not commit adultery, 6. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, 7. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.

* The Jewish day of worship is Saturday, which is the Sabbath, and not Sunday as was imposed by the Roman Catholic Church through a Pagan influence. By the way, most of the Catholic Church is surrounded in paganism because most of the first converts into the church were pagans! The only reason why Rome converted their people to be Catholics is because killing Christians actually didn’t get rid of the Christians, but rather made them stronger. So instead of trying to keep killing them off, which didn’t work, they created a pseudo-Christianity which still exists to this day known as Catholicism, and was used to control the masses and bring their people under their newly created religion. Thus was the dawn of the Inquisition and mass slaughters of all who would not fall under the rule of the Roman Catholic Church.

* There are plenty of sources outside the Bible that point to Jesus being a real person. Five of these sources are actually given in the zeitgeist movie, and one of them is taken out of context and not even mentioned as a source, while the other four mentioned are simply mocked. The thing zeitgeist intentionally leaves out and doesn’t want you to know is that the references they give are known to be very highly esteemed scholars of their day, making their written information highly credible. The following names are of non-biblical scholars that wrote about Jesus and were from the time surrounding the period spoken of in the zeitgeist film: 1. Clemente of Rome, 2. Ignatius of Antioch, 3. Justin Martyr, 4. Papias, 5. Quandratus, 6. Eusebius, 7. Quadratus, 8. Flavius Josephus, 9. Tacitus, 10. Suetonius, 11. Pliny the Younger, 12. Thallus, 13. Lucian, 14. Celsus, 15. Tertullian, and 16. Talmud. That’s 16 different accounts outside the Bible, 5 of which are in the zeitgeist film, but with twisted and distorted information. So what about the other 11 scholars, and why mock the perfectly good scholars and not mention what Justin Martyr really wrote?

Just so you can see how out of context zeitgeist made their little blurb from Joseph Martyr I’ve provided the actual writing from Justin Martyr as follows:

“And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth(1) of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; AEsculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus. For what shall I say of Ariadne, and those who, like her, have been declared to be set among the stars? And what of the emperors who die among yourselves, whom you deem worthy of deification, and in whose behalf you produce some one who swears he has seen the burning Caesar rise to heaven from the funeral pyre? And what kind of deeds are recorded of each of these reputed sons of Jupiter, it is needless to tell to those who already know. This only shall be said, that they are written for the advantage and encouragement(2) of youthful scholars; for all reckon it an honourable thing to imitate the gods. But far be such a thought concerning the gods from every well-conditioned soul, as to believe that Jupiter himself, the governor and creator of all things, was both a parricide and the son of a parricide, and that being overcome by the love of base and shameful pleasures, he came in to Ganymede and those many women whom he had violated and that his sons did like actions. But, as we said above, wicked devils perpetrated these things. And we have learned that those only are deified who have lived near to God in holiness and virtue; and we believe that those who live wickedly and do not repent are punished in everlasting fire.”
In this passage you can plainly see that Justin was defending the Christian faith with comparisons against the mythological gods of his time, of which others around him believed in. Justin Martyr is one of the most famous defenders of the Christian faith of his time, so for zeitgeist to try and say that Justin Martyr was putting down Christianity is completely opposite from reality. Justin Martyr is said to have lived from 100AD to 165AD, which is only 100 years after the life of Christ.

Administrator: Albert Ip said...

On 4 July, 2008 BBC's Q&A on The collapse of Tower 7 (referring to broadcasting that WTC7 has collapsed before it actually did) said;
After an investigation the head of BBC World News, Richard Porter, told The Conspiracy Files:

"The investigations we've carried out suggest very strongly that we were working on the basis of an incorrect news agency report."
...
"On September 11, 2001, Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Centre, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."


That would clear BBC from conspiracy. But it still remains a question why Reuters, a respected news agency, would send out such a report before WTC7 collapsed.

FredMars said...

I find that people who have watched the movie, seem unwilling to accept that such things are occurring. We all want to believe our governments are looking out fr our best interests. I know, wait until tomorrow and thing swill be better.

Things didn't get better, they are getting worse. Here in the US we are losing civil liberties in the name of national security, and we accept it.

Large corporations fail due to corruption, and we say, those rotten SBs, and we settle down for dinner and accept it all.

The banks are their for your financial safety, the auto makers and oil companies are doing all they can to make a safe and economical transportation system, and they are always thinks about making your life better. I hope you wake up before it is too late.

All that is told in these movies happened and are happening. We are in deep trouble and nobody wants to believe it, let alone admit it.

It's later than you think.

jahbepriase said...

I went and did a searching on these historical facts when it came to the fed.Turns out its all thier in black and white!Believe what you will but from here on out I will make sure that my children know these facts.The fact that people in this country dont know who or what familys control the fed is absurd!PETER DIDNT MAKE UP MODERN MONEY MECHANICS!You and I live in servatude to familys that have been tought through tradition as long as they control legal tender keep the media blanket tight they and their familys will never be insecure by any measure of life.The fact modern money mechanics is not tought to high school seniors as a recuirement to go out and get loans for e.d.is enough for me already!If you can tell me that wind power covering the midwest from canada to mexico wouldnt take care of energy problems for the next 400 years your only excuse could be money!For the recources are thier,the man power,everything we need!Based on religion,classification and the root problem of the central banks we cant.OPEN YOUR EYES and have hope that people get the real message of peters work!YOU ARE ONLY AS FREE AS YOUR PURCHASING POWER IS!Dont let your children be blind just because youve been lied to!I've asked 20 bank tellers if they know who owns the fed bank not one could answer....so I turned them on to zeitgeist.PEACE

Albert Ip said...

Hi jahbepriase, I am an educator by training. I felt ashamed about American education system that so many good men and women in USA do not know the facts about their own country.